Probably by the jeans and the boots. SHAME ON THEM. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? Highly charged case. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. According to the Charley Project, a missing persons database named after Charles Brewster Charley Ross, one of the first Americans kidnapped for a ransom in the nations history, Patricia Kopta went missing in June 1992 and was reported missing in November 1992. WebHis ex-wife and the mother of the teens, Patricia Owens, watched Said as the judge sentenced him. Jerry Browns office. The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. We've received your submission. During Patricias hours-long turn in the witness chair, Michael McIntyre grilled her relentlessly. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. Owens said Said made her a weak woman but that those days are over. The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. They portray heavily slanted and biased shows. Hoist by my own petard! She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. Wow. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. 5 years prior to all this happening! Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. Cop defends accused. She won't see them graduate from college. Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. 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It seems so, according to you. Whats worse is that shes innocent. Dame Patricia said she was "deeply saddened" to hear of her former co-star's death. Anyway, there are thousands of people who differ from that belief, that is why there is so much controversy surrounding this case, and that is why there have been numerous convicted people in the past whove been exonerated on appeal. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. Whatever the truth is. I have never seen anything this egregious in all my years.. She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. Allen Prue told police he and his wife "wanted somebody they could play with," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren has said. His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. The Dallas County jury returned a guilty verdict on Tuesday following about three hours of deliberations at the end of the six-day trial. What they reported to us is that she came into their care in 1999 where she was found in need, in the streets in Puerto Rico, where she had been wandering around. She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. But I agree with a recent comment.. Why not do a paternity case so just that is done and out of the way. In pleading guilty, Islam Said admitted that evidence proved he committed the crimes charged in the superseding indictment filed in November 2020. This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. Special prosecutor Patricia Brown Holmes said, even though her side didn't win any convictions, the case still helped make police more accountable. All of them returned without a DNA analysis because they contained no root material. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? The womans disappearance became a missing person case with the Ross Township Police Department that sat on the shelf, lacking progress, for decades. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. Exactly Prosecutor pounds away. Dance defense. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. Yes, that doesnt mean shes unquestionably guilty, but it does mean her case has been relatively exhaustively examined (and its not over) and it means that your assertion that you are right and the guilty camp are wrong (and that this should be obvious) is absurdly overplayed. I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? This information was never revealed to Rorrers defence. The fact that her jeans were unbuttoned and unzipped. Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. I am reliably informed they took SIX hours, not TWO as stated in my comment. Throughout the process, she heard many community members waiting for the proceedings to be over. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. In one entry, she writes that she has plans for people who have messed with her, and that "people will be surprised of what she is capable of," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren said. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. DALLAS, Texas - A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. Said showed no emotion as the verdict was read. That did amuse me I have to say, but youre way off target there Im more than happy with my state of mind before and after reading any of these comments. Warren, who was tearful at the end of the hearing, said she is pleased with the outcome of the case, and that her office was only waiting on the outcome of Allen Prue's appeal. If you want to help her tell her to ask God for forgiveness. Sadly, those who defend Rorrer do not want to be confused by the truth. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. The defense argued that the 911 call is not clear and that Said was targeted by investigators because he is a Muslim. . Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). PS Speculative lies is meaningless. WebPatricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. Your comment could not be farther than the truth! You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. Yaser Said was found guilty of killing his two daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, in 2008. This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. Patricia Wrights brother, Larry Wright, 47, and her neighbor, Janet Marcelin, 55, both testified that Patricia Wright and Lawrence Slaughter committed the murder but recanted their testimony after Patricia was sentenced to life without possibility of parole. Her diary certainly indicates some disturbed thinking. Through that testing, the elderly patient was confirmed to be the same woman locally known in Pittsburgh as a street preacher called The Sparrow who vanished and left her family flummoxed. They broke up in 1993. Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded.. Why wouldnt they let any of her witnesses testify? Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours from Riverside to Los Angeles and sit in court all day, Patricia said. Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? We were contacted by some individuals an agent from Interpol, as well as a social worker from Puerto Rico, that believed that they had her in an adult care home there in Puerto Rico, the deputy said during the press conference. At that time he was living in Connecticut. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. "I suggest that it stands for a moment in time where people actually take a moment to take a serious look at how we allocate our resources to social services. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. Another point is the theory developed by the cops that the victim (Joann) was shot just one time and then bludgeoned to death. A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. False. she didnt need to . All rights reserved. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. (We didnt get into the specifics.). Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. Lawyers pleaded their cases in closing arguments to 12 jurors and three alternates for nearly two hours Tuesday morning. Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. At 6 a.m. on June 24, 1997, police arrested Patricia at her modest house in Linwood, North Carolina, and took her back to Pennsylvania. According to Arletta Wright, Patricia needs to be driven because she has been legally blind since the age of 16. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. Tragedy also touched Patricias life. Police were led to the Prues by a business card found in Jenkins' home for Allen Prue's snow-plow business and a report that the Prues had called Jenkins about trouble with their vehicle. Hair we go. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. After Joann Katrinak, the wife of Patricias former flame, turned up dead along with her infant son, prosecutors suspected Patricia. Those bodies would have been manipulated by something around there. That woman has no soul. You murdered your girls," she said. She was falsely convicted of killing her husband when the Los Angeles Police Department reopened a 17-year-old cold case after coercing two witnesses to tape a confession pegging Patricia Wright and family friend Lawrence Slaughter as the killers. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. He was captured in August and is in state custody. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. A Texas man who carried out the mass shooting at the Cielo Vista Walmart in El Paso, Texas, on Aug. 3, 2019, killing 23 people and injuring 22 more, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court to a 90-count indictment, including 45 counts of violating the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. "It's been a long time coming for the family and the community," Warren said. Sorry not sorry. After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. The Prues were accused of luring Jenkins, a single mother, from her rural home and then strangling and beating her to death. I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. There are a number of issues in the case, Kelley said in a letter to his associate, Christopher Darden, including the competency of counsel, prosecutorial misconduct and, of course, compelling legal error by the court.. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? (A good point. No explanation given. What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. These two offenses were classified as felonies when they should have been only misdemeanors, since the property stolen was valued under $400. Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. I dont understand Partricias defenders pointing to Andrew with the dyed blond hair found at the car and murder scene. I decided to take the toys and hide them so my mother wouldnt see them, said Alfey, who is now 29 years old. "Justice would have been the Irving Police Department doing their job," defense attorney Joe Patton said during closing arguments. [emailprotected]. The sisters, who were students at Lewisville High School, were found dead in their fathers taxi in Irving. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. The Riverside County public defender stated that the court may reduce her first two offences to misdemeanors because they are classified as wobblers. Wobbler refers to a criminal offense that can be classified as either a misdemeanor or a felony. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! "You can keep those evil eyes glaring just glare away because this is going to be the last time that you see me.". I didnt know about the supposed SIDS death of Rorrers first-born. Am I missing something? Patricia is a evil monster. Had there been a switch? Weak wages. WebTexas-born Patricia (Tissie) Said, the mother of the two girls, should long ago have been charged as an accomplice in their honor killing. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. Patricia pled guilty on April 2, 1990. I was able to email with Patricia via the PrisonConnect platform around Christmastime. They were people that knew her, not Andrew. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. During the trial, the prosecutor said that the insurance reward would have been $180,000, which was totally exaggerated, said Arletta Wright, Patricias sister, who has been championing Patricias innocence from the beginning of Patricias time in prison. She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. She is 100% guilty seen 2 programs on this awful murder and read about it as well. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. However, Said never called 911. Watching Reasonable Doubt right now hope they also find that she did it. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. 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According to William G. Kelley, director of the Law Offices of the Orange County Associate Defender, Patricia did not receive a fair trial. Am I supposed to believe that she was still so enraged a week later, that she drove almost 10 hours, in a conspicuous van with a bad U-joint, to kill this woman and her baby? Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. I think we need to realize that each dollar we spend or don't spend could have a serious impact on our society and our safety.". You know whats interesting? Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. Blasczyk said she escaped from East Germany as a teenager when the country was under Communist leadership. I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. The men harbored Yaser Said inside an apartment in Bedford, according to court documents, and he was nearly captured after a maintenance worker spotted him in August 2017. Once, when a gun-wielding farmer and his buddy caught Patricia and Gary riding motorcycles on his field, Patricia walked up and got in their faces and argued, Gary recalled to the Morning Call. in journalism from the University of Southern California. Because of these two prior offences, Patricia was sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole under Californias Three Strikes Law. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? There is pendency of DNA investigation for Routier. Then international law enforcement was contacted. Puny policy. They also raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence, including the lack of fingerprints and eyewitness reports the place Said at the crime scene.

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