Then come the .270s. With the best loads, my Remington Model 700 is one-hole accurate. I have used this cartridge on moose with excellent results. Here are the features to watch out for. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? None of this can be said for either the .338 Winchester Magnum or the .375 H&H. Frankly, I would not want to be without them. I'm looking for a simpler project on this one. We owe a debt of gratitude to the engineers at the British firm of Holland & Holland; though it is lost to history who exactly designed the belted magnum cartridge, the .275 and .375 Holland & Holland Magnums were game changers. Then come the .30s, and now were talking business. There are many good choices, and shot placement is more important than case dimensions and bullet diameter. These are elk cartridges, and as Jack Atcheson Jr. likes to say, the .338 numbs them. I would never argue that a .243 Winchester with a good bullet placed well, or certainly a .25-06 with a tough, heavy bullet, cant do the job. Energy figures have it knocking at the door of 375H&H. If the .35 Rem. The trouble is, they didnt sell. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. It was recovered in bits and pieces. Im going to rule out short-range cartridges that have the power because theres no sense in making the shot more difficult than necessary. In 1965 Remington took it to the next level with the introduction of the Model 600 Magnum Carbine. You can start with the 6.5mms. Essentially a .338 Magnum with a bigger mouth, the .358 Norma can push 250-grain bullets faster. Think of the .358 Norma Magnum as the chunky cousin of the .338 Winchester Magnum; not quite as svelte or popular, but equally effective in a fight. I rely on Roberson Cartridge Company out of Texas for projects like these, and their .350 Rigby brass is wonderfully uniform and properly headstamped. But in those countries where the lighter cartridges are legal for the cats, the .350 Rigby Magnum is just about perfect. Most were intended for .38-caliber handguns, but any bullet made for either the .38 Special or .357 Magnum can be loaded and shot in the .358 Norma Magnum with varying degrees of success. from my E.R. 9.3x62 boots 320gr Woodleigh protected points and weldcore round noses out at 2400 fps with RL-17. Make no mistake, the .30-06 is a powerful cartridge, but it doesnt beat you to death and can be built in the seven- to eight-pound range. Thats the primary game for many of us, but one size doesnt fit all. Don't like Rugers much had my fill of them and now they are gone down the road. Kali Parmley of Gun Dog Magazine talks to George Thompson from Benelli USA about the new features from the Benelli line in 2023. You get the shot you get, and within sensible limits, you must be able to take the shot offered. On those gray, moody November days when I am feeling blue I take my Remington Model 141 pump-action rifle in .35 Rem. is a wonderful cartridge, but nobody buys them. Quite a difference! All rights reserved. from the 24" barrel of a Marlin 336XLR rifle. I have one, of course, and it is fun to shoot, but I would never use it on a serious big-game hunt. was designed for the American market, but sadly no American riflemaker ever chambered the cartridge in a cataloged gun. Most Professional Hunters agree that a bullet with a S.D. is on the threatened list, this one is on a path to extinction. We've got you covered. .22 LR7mm-08 Remington8mm Remington Magnum.338 Federal.224 Valkyrie.338-06 A-Square9.3x62mm Mauser.257 Weatherby Magnum.45-70 Government.300 H&H Magnum.25-06 Remington.30-06 Springfield6.5 Creedmoor.300 Remington Ultra Magnum7mm Remington Magnum.470 Nitro Express.280 Remington.300 Winchester Magnum.270 Winchester.222 Remington.45 ACP.404 Jeffery.44 Remington Magnum.41 Remington Magnum.243 Winchester.338 Winchester Magnum.357 S&W Magnum6.5-284 Norma8x57 Mauser.38 Smith & Wesson Special7x57mm Mauser9 mm Luger.35 Whelen.454 Casull.375 H&H Magnum.45 Colt.22-250 Remington10mm Auto.308 Winchester. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? In both cartridges, versatility is limited more by the narrow range of bullets available than by any other factor. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. You can never lead if you always follow; the other cartridges were designed to chase Winchesters success, while the .35 Rem. It is very accurate, easy to carry and fast on the target. Mark Bansner is making one for me: synthetic stock on a left-hand Sako action. The .350 Rigby Magnum is, in the words of veteran Professional Hunter Robin Hurt, a perfect caliber to hunt lion and leopard. With a few exceptions, most African countries require a minimum of .375-caliber cartridges for thick-skinned dangerous game like Cape buffalo and elephant, and that makes sense in most instances. Trust me, you could do worse, but youll be hard-pressed to do better! The big issue with the .350 Rigby Magnum is the lack of available ammunition. This was not the factory bullet from the 1960s, with its mild-steel jacket, but a later one. Mag. Nosler has three loads in its Custom line. I have a .356 Win. Unlike either the .338 or .375, the .35 (.358-inch) has been a standard American caliber since 1900. Nils Kvaleone of the chief designers at Normahad experimented with a shortened .300 H&H case, necked to hold 8mm bullets, with the rim turned down to match the 8x57 rim diameter. Choose at least medium weight for caliber: 140 grains in 6.5mm and the lighter 7mms; 140 and 150 grains in .270s; 150 to 160 grains in faster 7mms; 165 or 180 grains in .30 calibers. I have shot a few critters, including a tough South Texas Nilgai, and have been happy with the performance. As it stands, it is most certainly on the edge of becoming obsolete. It shoots well and is light and easy to carry while hunting. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, Reloading Centerfire Ammunition: Tips For Getting Started, Shooting and Loading the 6.8x43 mm Rem. Also H&R 1871, Inc., offered single-shot rifles in .35 Whelen from 1994 to 1996. It was verry expensive to shoot, lots of powder and expensive bullets and brass. Any listing you find for H-4895 can be modified by loading only 60 percent of the published minimum to create some very comfortable loads. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. In the entry on the .358 Norma, it maintains that, had Norma convinced a major American riflemaker to offer the chambering in the early years, it could have become one of the greats. a good brush buster and good to 300 yards. The .358 Norma Mag. Where the .338 Winchester drives its 250-grain bullet to 2650 fps, the .358 Norma beats that figure by 100 fps or so, delivering over 4,200 ft.-lbs. These work, but my thinking has changed over the years. I think it would be cheeper to get another action or a magnum bolt. The .358 Norma can be loaded down to duplicate the performance of either of the two smaller cartridges. As many hunters know, the Remington Model 600 carbine, which was introduced in 1964, was one of the first short, light, bolt-action rifles to find success with deer hunters. Here the elk offers hunters an advantage because the vital zone, like body size, is at least twice that of any deer. That list, by the way, is in ascending order of power. A failed product is often said to be ahead of its time, which is usually just a polite way of saying nobody wanted to buy it. The big case certainly made its reputation with the 250-grain bullets, as their sectional density gives excellent penetration on even the heavy-boned animals, and the .358 Norma can push them to a muzzle velocity of 2750 fps. Thats a question I just dont understand. The .358 Norma Magnum, like the .358 Shooting Times Alaskan, generates a considerable amount of energy, but due to the caliber restrictions for dangerous game of most of the African countries, it falls shy of the markthe .375-inch bore is minimum for many countries. No, its not exactly easy on the shoulder, but its not terrible either. Even so, most experienced deer hunters have pretty good ideas on appropriate rifles. Re: 35 whelen vs 358 norma mag vs 9.3 x 62, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Perhaps, if the word gets out to the shooting public, the born again .350 may finally achieve the commercial success it deserves. Alas, to the best of my knowledge, its not imported to the U.S. Back in the late 70's I picked up a custom 1903 in 358 Norma Mag, awesome rifle, very accurate and it put a thump on deer, I bought it hopping to get a moose tag back in MN, never did and sold the rifle. The .358 Norma Magnum is a rifle cartridge introduced in 1959 by Norma. In the years since, the .35 Rem. Avoid quick-opening bullets, especially match bullets; instead, choose controlled-expansion designs intended for hunting larger game. The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. Got a nice .270 Win MTN Rifle donor 700. There have been many others, such as the .35-30 Maynard (both in the 1865 and the 1882 versions) and .35-40 Maynard. Sadly, I cant find a single major gunmaker chambering this cartridge today. Also, the 35 Whelen will not do much that your 350 and 358 already do, if anything. Another vote for something different.The 358 STA would be the one. It also notes that the reconstituted Schultz & Larsen company is offering the chambering in its Model 97 takedown rifle. The .300 Rem. Subscriber Services. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. Right now, I think that the Browning BLR lever-action rifle is the only production gun left on the market in .358 Win. The .35-caliber cartridges usually top out at 250 grains, though if a 300-grain bullet at a slightly faster twist rate were employed, it would certainly be in the same class as the .375 Holland & Holland. Copyright 2003, 2012 by Chuck Hawks. The Whelen is a more sensible choice, but the Rigby isnt about sensibility, its about nostalgia and a connection to a bygone age. The quest for an acceptable .35 has inspired such impotent wastes as the .35 Winchester Self Loader, once labeled a candidate for the title: Worlds Most Useless Center-Fire Rifle Cartridge.. Mention the Rigby name to any rifle aficionado, and odds are that the famous .416 Rigby cartridge will come quickly to mind, and with good reason; it is an undeniable classic. Hornadys LEVERevolution pushes the performance up a notch with a 200-grain pointed bullet at 2225 f.p.s. In any mass-production rifle, either the .375 or .338, or both, will be found as a standard chambering. The .358 Norma Mag. Mag. With such a variety of bullets, you would think the skys the limit in terms of different loads, but there are other factors to consider. Movement is more random in big country. Also, many of these hunters have the luxury of a long season close to home. Kevin Steele stops by the Taurus booth to speak with Cody Osborn about the all new Raging Hunter platform from Taurus International. .35 caliber rifle cartridges have been around practically forever without ever really becoming popular. Its also worth noting that, in spite of its relative obscurity, the cartridge appears in many of the most recent loading manuals, including Normas own, a worthwhile addition to anyones reloading library. How it would have done on a live animal is impossible to say. Far more alternatives, in fact, than exist in several more popular caliber families. However, should a hunter who enjoys using cartridges that arent among the most popular find a rifle chambered for the .358 Norma Magnum? In the mid 70's I picked up a 358Norma. Griffin & Howe developed the semiwildcat .350 G&H based on the .375 H&H case, as well as pioneering the .35 Whelen. The better ones create mild gallery or small-game loads that are economical, quiet, virtually without recoil and best of all a lot of fun to shoot. Layne Simpson did an article on the comparison of the two and it was reprinted in Big Bore Rifles and Cartridge ISBN 1-879356-00-7. Remington currently lists a Model 7 rifle with a 20-inch barrel; todays version of the 600 in .350 Rem. In the 80s, when Jack Carter was making his Trophy Bonded Bearclaw bullet by hand, I did some elk hunting with the 240-grain .375 version. 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The long accepted story was that James V. Howe developed the cartridge in 1922 and named it in honor of his friend, gunwriter Col. Townsend Whelen. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? and .35 Rem., it was an excellent woods rifle for hunting whitetails. On the other hand, you must hit it well, because if poorly hit, an elk shows strength and stamina and may cover many miles of tough country. They live in steep, rough country, and their long legs cover a lot of ground. The rivalry between the .338-inch and .358-inch bore diameters has a considerable history; both topped out at 300 grains (at one point in time in history), and both have a lower end of 180 grains. and a 250-grain Partition load with a muzzle velocity of 2550 f.p.s. As it was released in the first century of the . Here in North America big game starts with deer. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. and is a good cartridge for hunting the thick woods for deer, hogs, black bear or even elk. Food for thought, is it not? Mag. It was predictable that the .356 Win. Its safe to say that of all the .358 Norma Magnum rifles in existence, there are more custom than factory ones, and this makes it tricky to load for in another way. of muzzle energy. Though still under construction, Im eager to take the classic cartridge into the hunting fields. In cartridges, as in boxing, what goes on behind the scenes often determines the outcome. Coming from me, this conclusion may shock you, so let me give you another surprise. Kynoch was a big producer of .350 ammo, but that has ceased in the recent past. 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Shorter and more common than the magnum-length receiver needed for the .375 and .300 Holland & Holland Magnum, the Winchester Model 70s and Remington Model 721s gave a new level of performance when chambered for the new magnums. Mag. I've owned several Magnum Mediums338 RUM, 340WBY, 375 H&H, 375 WBY, 358NM, 338WM. Norma offers factory ammunition, E.R. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." but it does have the 22" barrel and the irons , looks and feels like a MTN rifle to me. As unmagical as that might sound, it's one of the hardest hitting non-magnum cartridges ever. With cast bullets, A-5744 and Trail Boss are usually the best choices, although H-4895 is a good powder for midvelocity hunting loads. I did secure properly head stamped Norma cases thinking we'd need them going over into the Yukon (no one ever checked). Shaw will make a rifle, as will any other custom, or semi-custom, riflemaker. The main problem with such potent cartridges is that they kick hard in rifles light enough to carry all day in steep places. Spl. Our editors have hand-picked these essential pieces of gear to make you a more successful hunter when you hit the game trails this season. My 8mm Remington Magnum was stocked in dense walnut and had a long barrel. The .350 Magnum has a case length of 2.742 inches, and an overall cartridge length 3.44 inches, so it will feel at home in a magnum-length receiver. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. The .35 Caliber Cartridge Family(.357 Mag., .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Rem. The .350 Magnum has a case length of 2.742 inches, and an overall cartridge length 3.44 inches, so it will feel at home in a magnum-length receiver. The .35 Rem. However, that may be changing, or at least the possibility of change may exist. I am also looking at building a 358 Norma Mag on a model 110 Savage action, formerly a 300 Win mag, and start from scratch with the stock ( bedding and pillar) and make it a tolerable shooter even if a bit heavy. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. Since then, I have often recommended medium bores, such as Elmer Keiths favorite .33s, and Ive used the 8mm Remington Magnum a lot. As well, most bullet manufacturers produce soft, 200-grain roundnosed bullets intended for the .35 Remington, and these fit a wide range of uses. The .358 Win. Either way, the Newton is the unbelted twin of the .358 Norma. I bought it as a moose rifle but never got drawn in ten years. Ruger briefly chambered the M77 rifle in .35 Whelen. Synthetic wins over laminate because laminates, strongest of all, are also heaviest. Oklahoma. He, too, could have been one of the greats. Out of stock View Details . So if you have a .375 (or larger) and a yen to take it elk hunting, be my guest. The fortunate few who own them want to keep them, and these are the core admirers who make it worth Normas while to continue offering brass and loaded ammunition. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. I am often criticized for following the Elmer Keith school in suggesting powerful cartridges. As an experiment, I shot the nilgai five or six more times with different bullets, then hauled the carcass back to the cleaning station intact and carried out a necropsy. The Norma factory load, with Normas own 250-grain bullet, performed poorly, coming apart in the chest cavity. From there, you can work up until you find a load that gives you the accuracy and velocity you want. was introduced in 1955. At the same time, it will do almost everything the .375 will but with vastly more versatility. All in, it weighed over 11 pounds, which is too heavy. Rifle Recoil Table. That is quite a few cartridges considering that there is not a single best selling rifle cartridge in the bunch. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is at the Streamlight booth at SHOT Show 2023 to go over the Bear Trap light from Streamlight. The 25-degree, 30-minute shoulder gives plenty of room for powder, and though the neck of the .358 Norma measures less than the desired one-caliberit comes in at 0.328-inchthere is plenty of neck tension to hold the bullets in place without the need for crimping. Would be nice to have a 35 Wheelie, 350 Rem and a .358 Win. Short of a wounded elephant or Cape buffalo in thick cover, there is no game I can think of for which you could not concoct a load in the .358. In fact, the recoil of the .358 Norma Magnum, at about 35 ft. lbs. It, as you know, can be loadeddown to be a 35 Whelen but the reverse is not true. and the .32 Win. So are the .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. Normas original spec sheet for the .358 Norma Magnum when it was released in 1959 indicated the cartridges ballistics. Winchester and Hornady both offer 200-grain loads at 2475 f.p.s. However, Winchesters .338 Magnum proved to be the darling of not only those bound for the 49th state, but for those hunting elk and moose at lower latitudes. That load has a maximum optimal range on 1000 pound game (like a big Alaskan moose or brown bear) of 151 yards. Mag. I think Jack OConnor, the great champion of the .270, would agree. Mag. It did shine with 148gr Double ended wadcutters over a few grains of 700x shooting clover leaf groups at 50 yards, I used it all fall putting squirrels in the pot.

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